Permissions for OA with SSM paid version?

[Rilla927]

Can anyone tell me wich of these permissions should be allowed?

1. Allow Physical Memory Access

2. Alow Process Suspending & Termination

3. Low Level Disk Access

4. Allow Driver Installation

5. Allow shutdown system

6. Low level keyboard access

7. Allow global hooks

Any advice would be appreciated!

Thanks very much.

Rilla927

[MikeNash]

Can anyone tell me wich of these permissions should be allowed?

1. Allow Physical Memory Access

2. Alow Process Suspending & Termination

3. Low Level Disk Access

4. Allow Driver Installation

5. Allow shutdown system

6. Low level keyboard access

7. Allow global hooks

Any advice would be appreciated!

Thanks very much.

Rilla927

Hi Rilla,

Since OA is trusted, you can safely add all of them. This will also protect you from any errors as Online Armor is upgraded to do new things.

Mike

[Rilla927]

Oh wow! Cool.

Thanks Mike :wink:

Can I assume all of my other security apps would need the same thing?

Should I add it for both oaui.exe and oasrv.exe?

rilla927

[Peter2150]

Can anyone tell me wich of these permissions should be allowed?

1. Allow Physical Memory Access

2. Alow Process Suspending & Termination

3. Low Level Disk Access

4. Allow Driver Installation

5. Allow shutdown system

6. Low level keyboard access

7. Allow global hooks

Any advice would be appreciated!

Thanks very much.

Rilla927

Hi Rilla927

Please please don't take this the wrong way. But given you even need to ask this question, I would strongly recommend you stick with OA, and leave SSM alone. SSM is definitely a program that requires you understand your system. It for sure isn't mom and pop friendly.

Pete

[MikeNash]

Oh wow! Cool.

Thanks Mike :wink:

Can I assume all of my other security apps would need the same thing?

rilla927

Hi Rilla,

Assuming that the security apps came from a genuine, trusted source and you are confident with them then generally it is a good idea to exclude security applications from trying to restrict each other's access to the system.

You never know how an app will react if it cannot get what it wants - and since you trust it, it makes sense to give it all the access it might need.


Cheers

Mike

[Rilla927]

Can anyone tell me wich of these permissions should be allowed?

1. Allow Physical Memory Access

2. Alow Process Suspending & Termination

3. Low Level Disk Access

4. Allow Driver Installation

5. Allow shutdown system

6. Low level keyboard access

7. Allow global hooks

Any advice would be appreciated!

Thanks very much.

Rilla927

Hi Rilla927

Please please don't take this the wrong way. But given you even need to ask this question, I would strongly recommend you stick with OA, and leave SSM alone. SSM is definitely a program that requires you understand your system. It for sure isn't mom and pop friendly.

Pete

Well Peter,

I will never learn if I don't ask questions, right!

Thanks

rilla927

[Peter2150]

Can anyone tell me wich of these permissions should be allowed?

1. Allow Physical Memory Access

2. Alow Process Suspending & Termination

3. Low Level Disk Access

4. Allow Driver Installation

5. Allow shutdown system

6. Low level keyboard access

7. Allow global hooks

Any advice would be appreciated!

Thanks very much.

Rilla927

Hi Rilla927

Please please don't take this the wrong way. But given you even need to ask this question, I would strongly recommend you stick with OA, and leave SSM alone. SSM is definitely a program that requires you understand your system. It for sure isn't mom and pop friendly.

Pete

Well Peter,

I will never learn if I don't ask questions, right!

Thanks

rilla927

Yes, but learning isn't simply asking that set of questions for every application you have.

Learning is digging into help files to see what each one of those actions mean. Also means learning how your particular applications work. From that knowledge the answer to your question will start to become apparent.

ALso you can google on some of these terms. For example if you check out what Low Level Disk Access, it becomes apparent that backup type programs would probably need this.

This is what I would consider learning.

Pete

[Rilla927]

[quote=Rilla927]Can anyone tell me wich of these permissions should be allowed?

1. Allow Physical Memory Access

2. Alow Process Suspending & Termination

3. Low Level Disk Access

4. Allow Driver Installation

5. Allow shutdown system

6. Low level keyboard access

7. Allow global hooks

Any advice would be appreciated!

Thanks very much.

Rilla927

Hi Rilla927

Please please don't take this the wrong way. But given you even need to ask this question, I would strongly recommend you stick with OA, and leave SSM alone. SSM is definitely a program that requires you understand your system. It for sure isn't mom and pop friendly.

Pete

Well Peter,

I will never learn if I don't ask questions, right!

Thanks

rilla927


Learning is digging into help files to see what each one of those actions mean. Also means learning how your particular applications work. From that knowledge the answer to your question will start to become apparent.
I went through the help file and not in 15minutes or an hour.

ALso you can google on some of these terms. For example if you check out what Low Level Disk Access, it becomes apparent that backup type programs would probably need this.
Sorry, I never thought of googling the terms. Thanks for the tip.

If backup programs would need this then why would OA need it?

Everyone learns in different ways. It seems as if a person doesn't do it in the way you think it should be done, it's wrong. I didn't mean to offend you or Mike for asking those questions.

This is exactly why a lot of people like me don't attempt to use apps like SSM.

Thanks for all your help Pete!

[Peter2150]

[quote=Rilla927]Can anyone tell me wich of these permissions should be allowed?

1. Allow Physical Memory Access

2. Alow Process Suspending & Termination

3. Low Level Disk Access

4. Allow Driver Installation

5. Allow shutdown system

6. Low level keyboard access

7. Allow global hooks

Any advice would be appreciated!

Thanks very much.

Rilla927

Hi Rilla927

Please please don't take this the wrong way. But given you even need to ask this question, I would strongly recommend you stick with OA, and leave SSM alone. SSM is definitely a program that requires you understand your system. It for sure isn't mom and pop friendly.

Pete

Well Peter,

I will never learn if I don't ask questions, right!

Thanks

rilla927


Learning is digging into help files to see what each one of those actions mean. Also means learning how your particular applications work. From that knowledge the answer to your question will start to become apparent.
I went through the help file and not in 15minutes or an hour.

ALso you can google on some of these terms. For example if you check out what Low Level Disk Access, it becomes apparent that backup type programs would probably need this.
Sorry, I never thought of googling the terms. Thanks for the tip.

If backup programs would need this then why would OA need it?

Everyone learns in different ways. It seems as if a person doesn't do it in the way you think it should be done, it's wrong. I didn't mean to offend you or Mike for asking those questions.

This is exactly why a lot of people like me don't attempt to use apps like SSM.

Thanks for all your help Pete!

First, no offense, and I hope you realize I wasn't trying to be critical. One of Mikes objectives with OA, is to try and make it mom friendly. As you've found out SSM isn't. An APP like SSM allows you to really lock down the system. But it takes a different kind of learning.

One thing you can do is if, and this is a big if, your system is clean, run it in learning mode. Let it set the rules. May not be optimum, but works.

Now as to why OA might want direct disk access, and Mike can jump in and tell me I am all wet, but remember it does the scans when you run the SCW. They might go low level disk access there for speed. Note, this is just a guess.

Hope this helps.

Pete

PS. If I don't respond for a while, it's only cause I AM ON VACATION :D :D

[Rilla927]

[quote=Peter2150][quote=Rilla927]Can anyone tell me wich of these permissions should be allowed?

1. Allow Physical Memory Access

2. Alow Process Suspending & Termination

3. Low Level Disk Access

4. Allow Driver Installation

5. Allow shutdown system

6. Low level keyboard access

7. Allow global hooks

Any advice would be appreciated!

Thanks very much.

Rilla927

Hi Rilla927

Please please don't take this the wrong way. But given you even need to ask this question, I would strongly recommend you stick with OA, and leave SSM alone. SSM is definitely a program that requires you understand your system. It for sure isn't mom and pop friendly.

Pete

Well Peter,

I will never learn if I don't ask questions, right!

Thanks

rilla927


Learning is digging into help files to see what each one of those actions mean. Also means learning how your particular applications work. From that knowledge the answer to your question will start to become apparent.
I went through the help file and not in 15minutes or an hour.

ALso you can google on some of these terms. For example if you check out what Low Level Disk Access, it becomes apparent that backup type programs would probably need this.
Sorry, I never thought of googling the terms. Thanks for the tip.

If backup programs would need this then why would OA need it?

Everyone learns in different ways. It seems as if a person doesn't do it in the way you think it should be done, it's wrong. I didn't mean to offend you or Mike for asking those questions.

This is exactly why a lot of people like me don't attempt to use apps like SSM.

Thanks for all your help Pete!

First, no offense, and I hope you realize I wasn't trying to be critical.

No, I think you really did have my best interest at heart by telling me to stay away from it and you are right, I probably should, because I know I can really trash my system. My system is clean and I made a fresh image before SSM was installed just in case.

I understand the capabilities as far as locking down the system with this program and I wanted to be able to take advantage of that. Unfornuately, it's going to be a long learning process, but I thought the benefit would pay off in the long run because malware is only going to get worse as time goes by.

I do have it in learning mode. I guess that will be sufficent for now.

Googling for the "low level disk access" it will give me a generalization of the term, but I would have never made the connection of it to OA.



One of Mikes objectives with OA, is to try and make it mom friendly.
I agree. Out of all my security apps I have OA is my favorite.
But it takes a different kind of learning.
Your definitely right there. I don't want to bow out with out trying.


Enjoy your vaction :wink:

[Peter2150]

One last thing. With it in learning mode go thru all your apps and then turn learning mode off. Otherwise it will learn malware.

Cheers.

[Rilla927]

One last thing. With it in learning mode go thru all your apps and then turn learning mode off. Otherwise it will learn malware.

Cheers.
Yes, I opened every app I had. Even though it's in learning mode will it then determine whether or not it needs the seven items I asked about, global hooks, low level disk access, etc for each app? I wasn't sure because I see just ? for those. Maybe a dumb question, but I have to ask. That's why I haven't taken it out of learning mode yet until I could get those answers.

When you install/ uninstall software I imagine you have to disable the registry module and SSM.

Thanks

[Peter2150]

One last thing. With it in learning mode go thru all your apps and then turn learning mode off. Otherwise it will learn malware.

Cheers.
Yes, I opened every app I had. Even though it's in learning mode will it then determine whether or not it needs the seven items I asked about, global hooks, low level disk access, etc for each app? I wasn't sure because I see just ? for those. Maybe a dumb question, but I have to ask. That's why I haven't taken it out of learning mode yet until I could get those answers.

When you install/ uninstall software I imagine you have to disable the registry module and SSM.

Thanks

I believe that those question marks means the default is to ask, but once you have run your apps the rules are set.

When I uninstall, I just right click and exit
When I install, I put it in learning mode, and then exit. That way on reboot it is in learning mode.

Pete

[MikeNash]

If backup programs would need this then why would OA need it?

Everyone learns in different ways. It seems as if a person doesn't do it in the way you think it should be done, it's wrong. I didn't mean to offend you or Mike for asking those questions.


Hiya Rilla, Pete.

Questions don't offend me :)

The reason why I suggested to you that OA should just be allowed to do everything wasn't that it needed the low level disk access right now - but that it may require it in the future.



Now as to why OA might want direct disk access, and Mike can jump in and tell me I am all wet, but remember it does the scans when you run the SCW. They might go low level disk access there for speed. Note, this is just a guess.

Hope this helps.

Pete

PS. If I don't respond for a while, it's only cause I AM ON VACATION :D :D

Hope you enjoy it too :)

Today OA doesn't need low level disk access. Rilla could, in fact, have safely disallowed it. But, my view on this is quite simple: OA is a trusted program :) So, give it whatever you can, don't restrict it in case I add new features!

For example, lets say I added some sneaky little feature in there that backed up certain parts of the system to help recover from spyware.

If I had said on the forums that OA did not need this access, then you'd need to change your access rights before you took your next OA - and I would need to remember to tell you :) Plus, people would google for it, find this forum and that message - and then scream blue murder my OA doesn't work when I prevent it from accessing.

As a general rule of thumb, don't try and apply arbitrary restrictions to trusted security programs. The vendor may change something - and while the smaller vendors like us will help you solve a problem, I can guarantee that some of the larger vendors will just say "Our product is not compatible with other security solutions".

Mike

[Rilla927]

Hi Mike!

You explained that beautifully as you always do.

I again learned something from asking questions :wink:

Thanks so much.